Project CARS 2

[MadManCK]

It is a good thing that EA does not have a Porsche exclusive anymore.
And i sincerely hope that no car manufacturer will ever make the same mistake again.

I still have to fire up my pCars2. Needs a huge update i think

[Miao]

Wow Porsche and Ferrari in the same game and not the substitut RUF.

RUF is not a substitute, it is it's very own manufacturer, better than the one people usually compare it with.

I'm one of the few people who would prefer a developer to focus on RUF's cars instead of Porsche's and only get the later's license to have a 918 Spyder, 924 Clubsport, 928 and a 959 in a video game.

[Beardroid91]

Wow Porsche and Ferrari in the same game and not the substitut RUF.

RUF is not a substitute, it is it's very own manufacturer, better than the one people usually compare it with.

I'm one of the few people who would prefer a developer to focus on RUF's cars instead of Porsche's and only get the later's license to have a 918 Spyder, 924 Clubsport, 928 and a 959 in a video game.

RUF will always be a tuner company in my eyes and not the real thing, so they'll always be a tuner in my eyes and a big annoying substitut for Porsche's in games, it's like if Barbus would be the substitut for Mercedes...

But if you like them being a "real thing" and not just Porsche copycats then that's fine.

[Miao]

RUF will always be a tuner company in my eyes and not the real thing

Even in my eyes they are a bit of a tuner company, but when the "real thing" is mostly boring (and overhyped) it is the tuner that I'd like to have instead. Each to their own, I'd say. There's no way I'd be able to make a Porsche fanboy see RUF as the superior car maker.

I only fear that if now the Porsche license isn't exclusive to EA anymore the racing games developers are goin' to start overlookin' RUF in favour of Porsche (even if RUF got the better cars...), but on the other hand this could cause the price for a RUF license to drop and we'd start seein' more of their cars in new games.

it's like if Barbus would be the substitut for Mercedes...

Except that Brabus, differently from RUF, isn't officially recognized as a manufacturer by the German government, so you can't have a Brabus car in a game without havin' a Mercedes-Benz license first.

[MadManCK]

I don't think it will be the end of RUF in games. He does not even ask money for the license if i'm correct. In fact he is very cooperative with game makers and very popular within the video game community.

He sees it as "free" publicity and i personally don't think the RUF brand would have been that well known without the appearance in games.

In addition to that RUF is a real legend. The CTR was the first production car that actually did well over 200mph in a test, beating all other well known manufacturers. With their claims of speeds that were never reached.
Top speeds were a myth back than. Nobody tried them for real on public roads. Or tests. The Road and Track festival of speed initiated something special and a legend was born. I still have that copy somewhere.

Things have changed a lot since. But once a legend, always a legend.

RUF is not just a tuner but a manufacturer, because of the amount of parts they change on Porsche they get a new VIN number anyway. But there is more to it. The RUFs are at least as reliable as the cars they are based on. Including performance boost. And RUF is a Porsche man himself at heart. You can not seperate that from the brand.

So there will be enough place to get both RUF and Porsche in the game. Unless Porsche decides to act like Ferrari and starts to make demands.

[Miao]

I don't think it will be the end of RUF in games. He does not even ask money for the license if i'm correct.

Even if you were wrong I also don't think it'd be the end of RUF in games. Assumin' a Porsche license wouldn't be one of the most affordable ones I thought some companies with not so much money for licenses could go with RUF's instead. And of course some companies who are more focused on car history could have both manufacturers in their games, some future Gran Turismo title could likely have both (without Porsche bein' DLC like in most recent non-EA games, if not all).

So there will be enough place to get both RUF and Porsche in the game. Unless Porsche decides to act like Ferrari and starts to make demands.

Is Porsche just as bitchy as Ferrari in regard to these matters?

To me the problem is not not havin' enough place for both manufacturers. The problem would be if a company don't feel like they need RUF's (other than the CTR3 for bein' the most "different lookin' from a Porsche") in their games because they already got the Porsche's, and this isn't because of the cost of a RUF license (if there's any like you mentioned) but because of a boss tellin' their employees to not waste their time creatin' the resources for the RUF's like 3d models and faithful engine sounds, even if all they had to do was modelin' a simple bodykit for an already existin' Porsche model, but you know, "time is money". This is the impression I've got from EA, I don't recall ever seein' a RUF in one of their games...

Maybe I'm overthinkin' about the RUF-Porsche situation a little bit.

I hope to continue seein' RUF in future games, even if alongside Porsche's.

[grooks10]

Well, I definitely want to see both manufacturers. RUF has awesome street cars, while Porsche has the motorsport history that RUF could never have. So both definitely fill a niche. But RUF also seems to have a very good relationship with Slightly Mad Studios; they worked together to build fully homologated racing versions of two of their cars, which includes the CTR3. So I doubt that they will drop that license because they worked so closely in the past, but I also suspect that RUF will start to appear less and less in games for the very reasons that Tsuki listed. With Porsche now on the market, people will only want to see those Porsches, and they won't care nearly as much about RUF in the game. So as much as I love them (I had three RUF RGTs in TDU2, and one of them was my most driven car), I fear that they will soon disappear.

[Viktor Karpenko]

The problem with RUF in the future with Porsche being free from EA is not license costs, it's the community itself.

Let's be fair, the number of RUF lovers compared to Porsche's isn't anything special. And when you have people like Bear304 in the community, who sees RUF only as an annoying copycat substitute despite it having its own fair share of unique models and legends that Porsche would never make such as the RUF Turbo Florio, a turbocharged 911 Targa, and the already mentioned CTR Yellowbird things don't get well for RUF.

Porsche is obviously the more famous manufacturer of the two, being known worldwide by those who love and do not love cars. Not everyone who plays video games know about RUF cars, mainly those who are casual players, and the majority of those who do don't give enough valor to them. There aren't many reasons to put a car or manufacturer in a game when it doesn't have much or any demand from the community. For this reason I fear RUF will become a rarer sight in upcoming games.

[Beardroid91]

All points are valid, RUF has made some models and some models abit cooler, but when i look at them i mostly just see rebadged Porsche 911's car shells with upgraded parts hints why i see them as being mostly a tuner company.

But i do like the RUF RT35, and the Yellowbrid was pretty epic too. And i had a few RGT's and RT18's in TDU2 aswell, but i thought of them as being Porsche 911 GT3 and 911 GT2's etc.

But would you call Hennessey a tuner or car maker? As they do the exact same thing as RUF?

In my eyes RUF will always be a tuner company, i see them nearly on the same level as AMG for Mercedes or Quattro for Audi, only difference being that RUF and Porsche never joined forces to makes the same bond of as AMG and Quattro did, so RUF remained a tuning specialist for Porsche's, but then again TechArt also fills that role - and you won't have to lose the Porsche badge and history in the process.

[Miao]

But would you call Hennessey a tuner or car maker? As they do the exact same thing as RUF?

In my eyes RUF will always be a tuner company, i see them nearly on the same level as AMG for Mercedes or Quattro for Audi, only difference being that RUF and Porsche never joined forces to makes the same bond of as AMG and Quattro did, so RUF remained a tuning specialist for Porsche's, but then again TechArt also fills that role

Hennessey is an American tunin' house, and they don't do the exact same thing as RUF.

RUF vehicles are derived from unmarked Porsche chassis, specifically known as a body in white. Through these fundamental platforms, RUF manufactures and engineers its own original vehicles. Additionally, as RUF continues to install home-made parts to the automobiles instead of badge engineering, the company's independence increases. This is the reason RUF is officially recognized as a manufacturer by the German government and not as an automobile tuner like Hennessey or TechArt.

but then again TechArt also fills that role - and you won't have to lose the Porsche badge and history in the process.

Some don't care about the Porsche badge. I know I don't.