Driiven wrote:How is my first point invalid? I said SS's are capable of 268MPH, is that wrong? I also said regular SS's are limited because of tire issues, I believe that's true as well. Am I missing something here? 0.1% chance huh? Where did you learn that from? Its fact that at those speeds its only a matter of a short time or a pebble in the road to break a tire, especially in such a heavy car.
The SS was proven at 268mph, and 5 models are capable of that speed, in which is only slightly less Venoms that have been created all together; that is my point. You also can't compare Bugatti to any other company making the "fastest" cars, as last I checked, the vast majority of them are "backroom shed" cars, not made by a major company. A "limited edition" model for a bigger company could be equivalent to "full scale as-fast-as-we-can-make-them production", and that described the Venom vs. Veyron. Less than 10 Venoms were made that do 265.7mph, and less than 10 Veyrons were made that do 268mph.
Driiven wrote:The Venom is the fastest, because the Venom GT isnt a special edition car or a limited run like the WR Veyron, or Koenigsegg Hundra for that matter. I'm not arguing over the difference of 1, I'm arguing that the difference of 1 will soon become 2, 3, etc.
See the above. The Venom by your definition should be classified as a "special edition", given how few are made, and how few will be made.
Driiven wrote:How can you say Bugatti hasn't been French since the 50's? Its been French all its life. Lamborghini has been acquired by Audi, but you still call them Italian, so why does Bugatti have to be called German? Besides, how can you say its German if its designed by a Slovakian, manufactured by Bugatti Automobiles S.A.S. (VW's French division), and assembled in France? The only German thing about it is the key FOB which is nicked straight from a VW Golf.
Alright, sometimes I can't tell if you are actually trolling me on the French thing still, but assuming you aren't, allow me to explain.
Bugatti itself is complicated, as it is 3 individual companies in different times that have nothing to do with each other. This is why so much confusion results, as it would be like if Ford went under, and a Japanese man created a new company called Ford (after purchasing the rights to the name), only that the new "Ford" has nothing to do with the old one.
As for Bugatti, again, it is 3 different companies in 3 different times. Anything French about the company died in the 1950's when the company went under. Around 1987, an Italian man Romano Artioli founded his own company, Bugatti, and set up factory in Italy, producing the EB110. In 1995 he went under as well. Then, VW created a new company in 1998, Bugatti, in which VW made with 1 goal: make the fastest car (the Veyron). Therefore, "Bugatti" is 3 separate companies: French, Italian, and the modern German one. Each of the companies has nothing to do with each other, other than the badge and brand name reputation that comes with it.
This is not the same for other companies where "stock" is sold. If I bought a 50.1% share in BMW, and therefore took control of the company, that would not make it any less German. If however, the company went under, and years later after purchasing the rights to the name, I started my own company and called it "BMW", it would be an American car brand. Therefore, Lamborghini is still Italian despite its stock ownership by Audi, Bentley is British, and Rolls Royce is British. Mini I used to think was British, but I am now under a more accurate knowledge that the modern company is German (older was British), as it completely went under in the 90's, and BMW bought the title rights and created a new one (Mini didn't "exist" for a 3-5 year period, you can fact check that if you want).
As for Bugatti itself, the design and creation of it was completely by VW. Ask the joint Bugatti and Bentley CEO (appointed by VW), Wolfgang Durheimer: nothing happens without VW's approval, because they purchased the brand name in 1998, to make the fastest car in the world. It was strategic for VW to do this, as the brand name has a lot of reputation to make fast cars, like the EB110 under the Italian hands. VW created the car, and combined with the reputation of the name, its brand image was better, and therefore, more models were sold (Bugatti sells hundreds of the Veyron model). Purely enough it was a marketing decision to increase profit margins (taking the financial hit to acquire the right to use the brand name on their model, in hopes it would boost reputation), and it worked. This is why VW is the most profitable company in the world, making about $55 million per day, versus GM's ~$30 million per day.
Anyway, that's enough of a text wall from me. Hopefully, not just with you (but all forum members), everything makes more sense now.
